我不相信任何東西——凱瑟琳-英格拉姆和羅納德-雅各布采訪克里希那穆提（東西方雜志，1983年7月）

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EWJ:
你相信轉(zhuǎn)世輪回嗎？

K: First of all, I don’t
believe in anything. Secondly, what is it that is going to be
reborn? Say I have been suffering for ten years and I die. Now will
I in my next life go on from where I left off? Is there
individuality at all? Is there the ego—my ego, your ego, a
spiritual essence, the atman? The highest principle?

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克：首先，我不相信任何東西。其次，將要轉(zhuǎn)世輪回的是什么呢？比方說，我遭受了十年痛苦，然后我死了。那么，我將我的下一生從我離開的地方繼續(xù)接著受苦嗎？究竟存在個性嗎？存在自我——我的自我，你的自我，一種靈性本質(zhì)，靈魂——嗎？存在道嗎？

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EWJ: Perhaps it’s just a
process.

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EWJ：可能那只是一種過程。

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K: What is that? It’s a process
of thought. There is nothing sacred about thought, nor about the
things that thought has created in the churches of the world. They
worship it but it’s not sacred. There is something absolutely
sacred but you can’t pick it up casually, you can’t just believe.
Do you understand? Men have searched for this in different ways and
never found it, they have given their lives to it. It can’t be
found in an afternoon conversation or reading a book, or going to
some fanciful meditation. If you don’t find it what’s the point of
all this? One has to work on this for years to find out. It isn’t
just a game that you play. But people haven’t the time so they
worship the one who has something. Or they kill him. Both are the
same— whether they worship or kill, both are exactly the
same.

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克：那是什么？它是一種思想的過程。思想沒有任何神圣可言，在全世界的教會中思想所創(chuàng)造的事物也是如此。他們崇拜思想，但思想并不神圣。存在某種絕對神圣的東西，但你無法以有因果關系的方式撿起它，你不能只是相信。你理解嗎？一個人必須長時間地工作去發(fā)現(xiàn)這種東西，它不只是你玩的一個游戲。但人們沒有時間，所以他們崇拜擁有那種東西的人，或者，他們殺掉他。兩者是一樣的——無論他們崇拜他還是殺掉他，兩者是完全一樣的。

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EWJ: Isn ‘t there some
possibility of transmission between individuals?

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EWJ：在個體之間存在某種傳遞的可能嗎？

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K: Now you are with somebody
who is a little peaceful and who doesn’t want a thing from you, and
you feel quiet. But you have what? You have taken a drug for the
time being and the moment you leave here it will all go. It’s so
obvious.

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克：現(xiàn)在你是在與一個稍微和平的人呆在一起；他不想從你那里得到點什么，因而你感到平靜。但你擁有什么呢？你現(xiàn)在服用了一種毒品，而你一離開這里，那種平靜就完全離你而去。事情如此明顯。

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EWJ: But if we are climbing
some mountain and we’ve come to see you because it seems that you
are a few steps ahead..

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EWJ：但如果我們是在爬某座山峰，那么我們來看你，因為你好像比我們稍前幾步…
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K: I don’t believe in climbing.
There is no climbing, no “I am this, I have become that.” There is
only this. Change this, that’s all.

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克：我不相信“爬山”這種說法。不存在什么山要爬，不存在“我是這樣，我變成了那樣?！敝淮嬖凇斑@樣”。改變“這樣”，那就是全部。

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EWJ: Why do you
teach?

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EWJ：你為什么進行教導？

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K: Why does a flower
bloom?

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克：一朵花為什么開放呢？